Victor ELDER's webpage, explaining the connection as a
"Sept to the MacIntosh Clan"
(His ancestor's DNA is 11/12 and 18/25 with PETER ELDER group):
see his genealogy in PA:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/l/d/Victor-Elder/GENE1-0001.html"The origin of the Elder name is as follows:
"In 1160, Malcomb IV called upon the Clan Macduff
to help him withstand an attempt on his throne.
Duncan Macduff, Chief of the Macduff Clan, sent his son Shaw. At the
end of the war, Shaw was rewarded with his own noble rank and lands
and was known as Macintosh. This much we know, Supposedly, Shaw
Macduff Macintosh had several sons, the oldest of whom was known as
"The Eldar" (original spelling) and his decendants adopted this as
their surname, to distinguish their line from the rest of the clan.
The Elder name is very common in Scotland and has always been
associated with the Clan Macintosh (MacKintosh) so the tale certainly
seems plausible...
MacKintosh or McIntosh means "son of the chief or important person"
and Elder is simply the Anglicised or English form of the Gaelic
name.
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ELDER Coat of Arms - in House of Names: (2 stars - Dolphin in "S" shape)
at
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/Elder-coat-arms.htm"Origin Displayed: Scottish
Spelling variations of this family name include: Elder, Elders, Eldar, MacNoravaich and others.
First found in Edinburghshire the present day Scottish Council Area of Midlothian in Southeastern Scotland,
which as a former county, used to encompass the city of Edinburgh, where they were seated from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D..."
" The arms were registered at Fairfield, County Lanark in 1869."
More about Coat of Arms/Crests
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/ElderCrests.htmJohn ELDER of Steamships location at Fairfield near Glasgow:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/Steamships.htm
